flag facing bet/raise, bet/raise aggressor position

[marvin]

the action is (on the turn): utg bet, MP raise, button reraises, utg and MP fold.
about the button:
the flag_t_facing_bet for is ..... ......(true? )
the flag_t_facing_raise, is true
flg_r_3bet_opp is true
flg_r_4bet_opp is false
about utg:
flg_r_4bet_opp is true
flg_r_3bet_opp is false
the flag_t_facing_raise, is ...........? (true or he is facing a 3bet and then flag_t_facing_raise is false?)
about aggressor postion:
val_t_raise_aggressor_pos: is refered to the last player that raises (in this case 3bet)? then the aggressor is the button
val_t_bet_aggressor_pos: is refered ONLY to the bettor, EVEN IF HE HAS FACED A RAISE (and his action is 'BF') then val_t_bet_aggressor_pos must be the position of the player that opened the action on the turn.

about the flag, fill over the ...... about the val_aggr_pos, spend some words........ ;-)
TY

[WhiteRider]

about the button:
the flag_t_facing_bet for is ..... ......false (the button does not face a bet, only a raise)
the flag_t_facing_raise, is true correct
flg_r_3bet_opp is true correct
flg_r_4bet_opp is false correct

about utg:
flg_r_4bet_opp is true correct
flg_r_3bet_opp is false correct
the flag_t_facing_raise, is ...........? (true or he is facing a 3bet and then flag_t_facing_raise is false?) true (true if he is facing any raise)

about aggressor postion:
val_t_raise_aggressor_pos: is refered to the last player that raises (in this case 3bet)? then the aggressor is the button correct
val_t_bet_aggressor_pos: is refered ONLY to the bettor, EVEN IF HE HAS FACED A RAISE (and his action is 'BF') then correct
val_t_bet_aggressor_pos must be the position of the player that opened the action on the turn. correct

about the flag, fill over the ...... about the val_aggr_pos, spend some words........ ;-)
[/quote]

The raise aggressor is the last player to raise on a street - the bet aggressor position is the position of the player who bet - as you say, this can only be the player who opened the action.
If a player raises and selected player re-raises then the raise agg-pos is the OTHER player's position.
If no players other than the current player raise then the raise agg-pos is -1.
(Raise agg pos can never be the player whose point of view we are seeing the hand from.)
The same applies to bet agg-pos - if no player other than the active player bets then it will be -1.

[marvin]

i have problem with my english, i wish more clarification about pos "-1".
full-handed, we ar eon turn, with only 2 players active...turn: SB bet and button call,
val_bet aggressor = -1 if i write a stat that describes attitudes of SB about this hand(WHY he is the bettor) ,
but = 9 if i write a stat about the button (why the postion of the SB is 9 and the button is not the aggressor... is right? have i understood?

[kraada]

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying so let me try to give some examples.

Imagine a heads up game between A and B.
A is in the SB (position = 9) and B is in the BB (position 8).

On the turn, A bets.

That is not enough information to tell you what val_t_bet_aggressor_pos's value is. Why?
From A's perspective, the value is -1. From B's perspective, the value is 9.

We need to know whose eyes we are looking out of in order to determine the value. For A, he was the only turn bettor, so the value is -1. For B, A was the turn bettor, so the value is equal to A's position - or 9.

Does that help clear things up?

[marvin]

when you say "From B's perspective, the value is 9" you mean that if i put the instruction like we say sum ...if .... AND (holdem_hand_player_detail.val_t_bet_aggressor_pos <holdem_hand_player_statistics.position) THE CONDITON IS FALSE WHEN IT MUST COMPUTE SOMETHING ABOUT PLAYERS B (WHY 9 IS NOT < POSITION B)

BUT IS TRUE WHEN IT MUST COMPUTE SOMETHING ABOUT A (wHY -1< POSITION A)

I HAVE UNDERSTOOD?

[WhiteRider]

It depends on which player you are calculating the value of the stat for.
If you were to build a stat to display the raise aggressor position then the value would be different for A and B - it would not show the same value for both players. So if you are building stats like this, based on the raise aggressor position, then it will have different values for each player.
You need to decide which player you are building the stat for so that you use the raise aggressor position value in the right way.