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blind_ds blind_db blind_k ccall and squeezed

Postby marvin » Tue Jan 12, 2010 7:40 pm

1) flg_blind_k is refered to small or big blind, without distiction?
in other words if i want write (if flg_blind_ds OR flg_blind_db), i can write shortly: (if flg_blind_k)?
2) who post dead blind can be squeezed?
example:
premise: 3 players: UTG, B, Button post dead blind
UTG pay dead blind and then check, UTG+1 limp, UTG+2 RAISE, A call (cold call) B (had payed dead blind and call), Cut off 3-bet Button had post dead blind, and now call, small blind and big blind call.

3) squeezed players are UTG+1, UTG+2, A (like we have seen in my other post)
but what about button and UTG? they are squeezed?
4) Player B: we can say he cold called? (he had post dead blind)
Button, small blind and big blind have cold called (generally a 3bet is "coldcallable"? generally who post blind can be defined cold caller?)
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Re: blind_ds blind_db blind_k ccall and squeezed

Postby WhiteRider » Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:33 am

1) holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_k refers specifically to a 'kill' blind which, as I understand it, any player can post.
holdem_hand_player_statistics.flg_blind_ds and _db refer to penalty blinds, such as you might pay if you choose to sit in without waiting for the blinds to come round again. This is different to a kill blind.

2/3) If a player has voluntarily put money in the pot before the squeeze raise then they are squeezed - a blind is not voluntary (even a penalty blind once the player has chosen to play the hand) so UTG is not squeezed but B is. (I doubt the button can actually post a penalty blind, but if he could then he is squeezed too as long as no-one has 4-bet.)

4. You can only cold call if you did not already have any money in the pot - blinds aleady have money in the pot, although I would have to check the situation if the player had only paid a small blind which was not "live" (I expect in that case he could cold call).
Yes, you can cold call a 3-bet - you can cold call any level of raise as long as you don't already have money in. Blinds can never cold call.
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Re: blind_ds blind_db blind_k ccall and squeezed

Postby marvin » Wed Jan 13, 2010 11:18 am

1) you say
(I doubt the button can actually post a penalty blind, but if he could then he is squeezed too as long as no-one has 4-bet.)

but had said that a post blind is "not voulonatry" than i dont understand, if your first quote is true, button is not squeezed (why he is behind the 3bettor and his money in the pot before the 3bet were not volountary (=post blind).
what is the true?
2) remember pls to check if cold call is possible from the blinds and let me know Ty.
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Re: blind_ds blind_db blind_k ccall and squeezed

Postby kraada » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:20 pm

Blinds can never cold call.

A button can be squeezed in the following situation: The CO opens, the BTN calls and the SB 3bets, the BB folds and the CO folds. The button is now squeezed.
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Re: blind_ds blind_db blind_k ccall and squeezed

Postby WhiteRider » Wed Jan 13, 2010 12:27 pm

You are not normally allowed to rejoin a table as the button (you have to wait for the cutoff), and that is when you would post a penalty blind, so I don't think the button would ever post a penalty blind. That doesn't affect the rest of the statements, though.

If you have posted a "live" blind then you will not be counted as cold calling.
If you have posted a "dead" blind (which goes directly to the pot, and doesn't count as part of your bet) then you can be counted as cold calling.

Cold calls do not actually affect squeezes at all. The squeeze definition should really say that people after the initial raiser have flat called - whether you posted a blind or not is irrelevant to squeezes.
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Re: blind_ds blind_db blind_k ccall and squeezed

Postby marvin » Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:00 am

If you have posted a "dead" blind (which goes directly to the pot, and doesn't count as part of your bet) then you can be counted ...
you mean that if im not facing a raise, after pos a dead blind i need to pauy another BB for limping? (cant check)

For other your statements i have understood everything, ty... except kill blind. can you write an action about it?
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Re: blind_ds blind_db blind_k ccall and squeezed

Postby kraada » Thu Jan 14, 2010 9:52 am

Right; most dead blinds in practice are small blinds, and they don't count towards any bet you need to call.

Kill blinds are mostly used in limit games live; I'm not aware of any online site that uses kill blinds. You can find out more about kills here.
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